Not let you go until you tell us the secret, how is your company turning all these coaches, experts and thought leaders into?
除非你告诉我们这个秘密，否则不要让你走，你的公司是如何把所有这些教练，专家和思想领袖变成？

So Jane, whatever you ready, we can kind of jump into those five tips you mentioned in the beginning of the conversation.
所以简，不管你准备好了什么，我们可以跳到你在对话开始时提到的五条建议。

Yes, awesome. So just emphasize these are tips going beyond the general pm interview framework which you can read about and the pm interview on pm lessons. Stevens, great content. So this is the stuff I think you should add on Top of that. So I think first I would say talk about what and I think people underestimate how much unique perspective that they have in their experiences and that could be in previous internships, previous like side privacy dot previous life experience, like where you grew up, how you interacted with your parents, with friends, or even sports really take that and use that as kind of the jumping board to add a little bit of flavor in the feature of products they end up designing.

是的，太棒了。所以要强调的是，这些技巧超出了你可以阅读的一般产品经理面试框架和产品经理课程的产品经理面试。史蒂文斯，很棒的内容。所以这是我认为你应该在上面加上的东西。所以我认为首先我会说谈论什么，我认为人们低估了他们在自己的经历中有多少独特的视角，这可能是在以前的实习中，以前的像侧面隐私点以前的生活经历，像你在哪里长大，你如何与你的父母，与朋友互动，甚至体育也把它作为一种跳板，在他们最终设计的产品中添加一点味道。

So definitely talk about what second is be created as you propose your features or products. So this is something that i've noticed when I interview other people at Microsoft, is that people tend to give kind of the same answers. And if you think about it from the interviewer point of view, I'm sitting there and probably sit and listen to six people come in and do their interviews. If three of the six give you the very same answer, but that's not exciting and not unique and quite Frank, not as memorable as doing something more creative.

所以，当你提出你的功能或产品时，一定要谈论第二个要创造的东西。所以当我采访微软的其他人时，我注意到人们倾向于给出相同的答案。如果你从面试官的角度来看，我坐在那里，可能坐着听六个人进来做他们的面试。如果六个人中有三个人给了你同样的答案，但这并不令人兴奋，也不独特，也不坦率，不像做一些更有创意的事情那样令人难忘。

I think how people should approach this is when you get to the point where you have to propose different features, it's a that if you go with three, the first one is the most realistic kind of base. Everyone understands it. You get more creative and unique as you go along. So you show the user or, you show the interviewer that you can propose something that is technically achievable. That's actually realistic. But you also show up how creative you can be, and also kind of how you see the world. So it's a chance for you to actually, I guess, impose on them how you think about things. There kpis like that is so critical and something that people always forget to do in an interview setting, who's in their head. It's not like you have the dashboards measuring the success of this product, because hypothetical.

我认为人们应该如何处理这个问题，当你必须提出不同的特征时，如果你有三个，第一个是最现实的基础。每个人都明白。随着时间的推移，你会变得更有创意和独特。所以你向用户展示，或者向面试官展示你可以提出一些技术上可以实现的东西。这其实很现实。但你也展示了你的创造力，以及你看待世界的方式。所以这是一个机会，我想，你可以把你对事情的看法强加给他们。像这样的关键绩效指标是非常关键的，人们在面试中总是忘记这样做，谁在他们的头脑中。它不像你有衡量这个产品成功的仪表板，因为假设。

So you need to make sure you answer the question of how you measure success. But also, what is your unique KPI so this is the key because everyone goes after number of users like how basically number of users, how much money people make, so on and so forth. But what is a unique KPI they can kind of add to it.

所以你需要确保你回答了如何衡量成功的问题。但是，你独特的KPI是什么，这是关键，因为每个人都在追求用户数量，比如用户数量，人们赚了多少钱，等等。但他们可以添加一个独特的KPI。

So for example, when I working on my fashion tech start back in school, we could not compete with the big fashion retailers of the world in terms of number users in terms of money getting paid wherever. But we could compete on is how per session, how long someone spent on our website that we were doing better than some of the Top players in our field. So that was a unique guy that you actually win above all these other startups. And this actually applies European interview as well. So think about what your unique KPI is and how you use that, measure your success amongst all the and more normal PPS 4th is if you're technical show off your technical chops. And by what I mean by that is when you're describing your products incorporate different, like you can incorporate your technical jargon or incorporate like new technology there. If you're AI expert or LP talk about how we're gonna use like my hot model and how you actually implement this, just a brief sentence here and there, scattered throughout your interview, really helps kind of conveys the interviewer in a subtle way that, hey, I actually, I'm legit and no, technically how this would work.

举个例子，当我在学校开始我的时尚技术工作时，我们无法与世界上的大型时尚零售商在用户数量上竞争，也无法在任何地方获得报酬。但我们可以竞争的是，每届会议，有人在我们的网站上花了多长时间，我们比我们领域的一些顶级玩家做得更好。所以这是一个独特的家伙，你实际上赢得了所有其他创业公司。这实际上也适用于欧洲面试。所以想想你独特的KPI是什么，以及你如何使用它，衡量你在所有和更正常的PPS中的成功，第四是如果你是技术人员，展示你的技术能力。我的意思是，当你描述你的产品时，你可以结合不同的技术术语或新技术。如果你是人工智能专家或LP，谈谈我们将如何使用我的热门模型，以及你如何实际实现它，只是在这里或那里简短的一句话，分散在你的面试中，确实有助于以一种微妙的方式向面试官传达，嘿，实际上，我是合法的，不，技术上这将如何工作。

And that's something that I want to convey to you.
这就是我想要传达给你们的。

And then 5th, I think this kind of goes back to the first point about talking about what, but this is show off your experience by incorporating your learning from previous experiences, such as internship classes, side projects, as data. So basically, you don't have the time to do a market research on your user that you look going after. You don't have the time to actually run and do user surveys but. If you had done it before, if you went over a similar user, user market target market in an internship, use that data point like I actually worked at this company. It's not in into your design. It was in like health care, but we went after new grades as well. Here's how I know that this is what they think like. And that way you're paying the you to the interviewer, hey, like i have really great previous experience that you saw my resume, but here is actually how I use that to think, because at the end of the day, beside tips, all these more interviews are great.

然后第五，我认为这又回到了第一点，关于谈论什么，但这是通过结合你从以前的经验中学到的东西来展示你的经验，比如实习课程，业余产品，作为数据。所以基本上，你没有时间对你所追求的用户进行市场调查。你没有时间实际运行和做用户调查，但是。如果你以前做过，如果你在实习中去过一个类似的用户，用户市场目标市场，使用这个数据点，就像我在这家公司工作一样。它不在你的设计中。这就像医疗保健一样，但我们也追求新的成绩。这就是为什么我知道这就是他们的想法。通过这种方式，你可以向面试官支付报酬，嘿，就像我以前有很好的经验，你看过我的简历，但实际上我是这样思考的，因为在一天结束的时候，除了技巧之外，所有这些更多的面试都很棒。

But when you actually pm in a company, you're hired to bring in your experience like Microsoft hires people. You think that you're just a car and a big wheel about the case, like you actually can make an impact and they're hiring you for your unique perspective. That's why they didn't just like pick the next person down the list. So what you can bring to the table, you should and you should reflect that in your actual interview as well.

但当你真正在一家公司做产品经理时，你被雇来带来你的经验，就像微软雇人一样。你认为你只是一辆车和一个大轮子，就像你真的可以产生影响，他们雇用你是因为你独特的视角。这就是为什么他们不喜欢挑选名单上的下一个人。所以你能带来什么，你应该也应该在你的实际面试中反映出来。
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There was a great list of questions, John, sorry, great list of tips. John, I thought I like love the idea that you know kind of. How do we push even further and meeting your personal experience with something you didn't the interview to be just reading that in was like really effective, I think from an interviewers perspective, because it's like this person has kind of unique take on this whole thing and has a kind of insights that I might not have as a manager.

有一个很棒的问题清单，约翰，对不起，很棒的提示清单。约翰，我想我喜欢这个想法，你知道的。我认为，从面试官的角度来看，我们如何更进一步，用你在面试中没有读到的东西来满足你的个人经验是非常有效的，因为这个人对整个事情有一种独特的看法，有一种我作为经理可能没有的洞察力。

I might not have as a the company and you can add actual value to the team as this just kind of repeating what the three other people said that day.

我可能不是公司的一员，你可以为团队增加实际价值，因为这只是重复了其他三个人那天所说的话。

Yeah, and bonus is like you can teach them something new that day. They'll remember it like that's not. I noticed when I attribute people, I'm like I didn't actually know that about like it's unrelated, but like that incorporated down to the interview. And I was like I remember that.

是的，奖金是你可以在那天教他们一些新的东西。他们会记得好像那不是。我注意到，当我对人们进行归因时，我并不知道这是不相关的，但这与面试有关。我就像我记得的那样。

Yeah, I think that's such a good point, especially for your product question to you when like you're kind of what's your part and why you're given an open door and really the best answers that question, or kind of saying something that I maybe don't previously believe. I didn't previously know and convince me something like interesting. I didn't realize that this product is always successful because of this particular feature like this decision was such an impact for one for that products development.

是的，我认为这是一个很好的观点，特别是对于你的产品问题，比如你的角色是什么，为什么给你一扇敞开的大门，以及这个问题最好的答案，或者说一些我以前可能不相信的东西。我以前不知道和说服我像有趣的东西。我没有意识到这个产品总是成功的，因为这个特殊的功能，就像这个决定对产品开发的影响一样。

And so I think convincing the interviewer of something new and writing nutrition novel Information is really, really helpful. And you really get that.

所以我认为说服采访者一些新的东西，写一些营养方面的新信息是非常非常有帮助的。你真的明白了。

Yeah, I think that's also something where you could pick a very generic user, or you can pick a very generic favorite, like I would say a new grad of millennial is very generic user. I would say, like picking iPhone or something like that is a very generic product that a lot of people can probably think of.

是的，我认为这也是你可以选择一个非常普通的用户，或者你可以选择一个非常普通的最爱，就像我会说千禧一代的新毕业生是非常普通的用户。我想说，像挑选iPhone或类似的东西是一个非常普通的产品，很多人可能会想到。

But it doesn't necessary make it a bad user target group or bad favorite products. It's how you actually talk about it. What you say something new is。

但这并不一定会让它成为一个糟糕的用户目标群体或糟糕的喜爱产品。这是你谈论它的方式。你说的新东西是。

totally agree, but it's just like, can you say an interesting like insightful comment about that segment? Or and it's okay if you can't and then you don't have to pick that segment, you can pick one that you feel comfortable with, but relying on that instincts of finding and say for comment is a really good one. Cool, we're almost ready. We're wrapping up with the session today, but thank you, John, so much for kind of being with us. Not only doing about interview, but also providing some awesome tips for people interviewing for pm roles. Pm lesson, listeners and views right now hope you enjoyed are session and as always you can find more content like this at pm lesson dot com.

完全同意，但这就像，你能说一个有趣的，有见地的评论吗？或者，如果你不能，那也没关系，你不必选择那个部分，你可以选择一个你觉得舒服的部分，但依靠寻找和评论的本能是一个很好的选择。酷，我们快准备好了。我们今天的会议就要结束了，但是谢谢你，约翰，非常感谢你和我们在一起。不仅做关于面试，而且还为PM职位的面试人员提供了一些很棒的技巧。下午课，听众和意见，现在希望你喜欢的是会议，一如既往，你可以在下午课.com找到更多这样的内容。